Wing Chun can’t beat boxing?
Let me clarify this from the beginning and say that whomever makes this statement is 100% CORRECT.
I have probably gotten your attention. In fact, you are probably thinking, “its about time! He admits that Wing Chun is inferior to Boxing!”
Well, before you jump to that conclusion, let me throw a little statement of balance in here to make sure you and I are involved in the same debate.
Yes…Wing Chun cannot beat Boxing. More so, a Wing Chun practitioner cannot beat a Boxer. Even further, a man, who is a fighter, who makes his focus of training Wing Chun Kung Fu, cannot beat another man, who is a fighter, who focuses his training in boxing…THE WAY IT IS TRAINED TODAY.
To set this debate in motion, I must first entertain all of those who are so quick to make this Style vs Style. I am glad you are participating, however this debate is not for you. This debate will purely be from my personal experience on what a fight is. And I need not prove to you I know what a fight is…I do.
Factors to consider:
Most of us who have actually been in a fight (no, not you so called experts who have been in or seen 200 street fights) actually know what a fight is. We know that a fight lasts a very short duration and usually starts out of posturing, with one person flaring up like a peacock and or him springing out on someone in ambush.
Fighters know that anyone who truly engages in a fight is a dangerous person. For the most part, people want to assert their dominance and validate their voice and that is the reason for posturing…it’s a pissing match. Anyone who actually has no problem becoming physical has moral issues or is impaired by drugs or alcohol.
If you have truly ever seen a REAL fight, you know that it involves a wild swing, grabbing, clinch and two guys who are secretly looking for others to pull them off of each other so they can look like the other guy was saved. Real street fights are either violent and aggressive or consist of two pussies in bar who don’t want to look bad and can’t even throw a real punch.
Never, in all my years working in bars or as a street cop, have I ever seen two guys “duke it out” in the street. Even the times when two idiots have taken off their shirts and started to jump around with their fists up, they usually grab, grapple and get pulled apart within seconds.
So, back to the original question of Wing Chun beating a Boxer we have to look at the context of the fight. If this was a ring fight with rules and rounds, of course, Wing Chun doesn’t win…there is no point to. We would lose the match on points because we are patient like snakes and strike for content not title belts. This is the meaning behind why Wing Chun is not a competitive sport…it can’t be because we are not entertaining. However, in my 2nd fight in the 2004 SuperCop Boxing Tournament, I did win, using Wing Chun footwork, centerline protection and concepts. But that was me and I am very aggressive and say screw all to patience.
There is one very specific reason that Wing Chun cannot beat a Boxer and I am going to generalize to driver my point home… MOST Wing Chun schools do not train correctly.
To this day, as much as we preach it, Wing Chun men still chase the limbs no matter how much they proclaim they don’t. There is a very specific reason for this, which in fact is also the reason Wing Chun guys can’t beat a Boxer…the initial point of contact in training. Teachers still use this idea to show the archaic nature of Tan Sau, Pak Sau, Gan Sau…etc. They show the OLD theory of their usage within the rules and application of pressure…not their uses in the application of speed, aggression, strength and power in a real fight.
Wing Chun men START most, if not all of their training, at a point of contact or proximity to adhere to their opponent quicker than most other arts. In other words, Wing Chun men THERORIZE about sparring and rarely if ever do train it. Wing Chun men train in a safe place…Boxers train in a world of sweat and pain. This is mostly why our school’s Wing Chun is so much more straight forward and aggressive than 90% of the Wing Chun out there…Wrestling is in my blood and wrestling is aggression and violence as is Boxing…IN A FIGHTING CONTEXT.
When you think about Wing Chun, what is the first thing you think about? Chi Sau. Chi Sau is an agreed upon place of training where two guys come together in order to train, without having to fight the battle to get there. …score 1 for the Boxer.
Its like those Sifus and Grandmasters who show you how amazing their skill is when they have 20 men lined up, pushing them and they don’t move. This great trick is done because contact is already established. BUT, what if those 20 men ran at that Sifu / Grandmaster? They would get knocked flat on their ass. The same goes for arm pressure. Most Wing Chun men, teachers, Masters, make you look like a fool when they touch you. But how many of them will actually stand back and let you come at them? I haven’t seen too many. But I have heard a whole hell of a lot who theorize about it.
Wing Chun is, as trained today, superior in dealing with Wrestling or BJJ for one reason…Wing Chun men train from the point of contact. So do Wrestlers and BJJ.
Boxers, on the other hand, do not start in a point of contact. Think about it…if you study Wing Chun and you face a Boxer and I tell the Boxer to place his wrist against your wrist in Que Sau / Choi Sau, you’d love it, right? But if I told you to stand in two corners then you would start theorizing on what you would do.
Boxers train to fight…Wing Chun men train to pretend to fight. Enter the embarrassing but true statement of Joe Rogan and his mockery of Wing Chun men who theorize on what they would do in a fight.
Wing Chun has become Chi Sau for a reason…it’s the easiest way to keep the teachers as teachers and the students paying. Pressure, trickery, speed, games…its all crap training that has served no other purpose than to string along a ton of student disciples who are willing to pay for a skill set that is all but useless in a fight if it is not trained properly.
In our school we train for the pressure of a real fight. That 1 second burst of speed, strength, power and overwhelming chaos you receive from an enemy and you don’t know where the hell it is coming from…and where the hell it went once it disappeared. If my student’s “chase” an arm, they get punished. They chase the threat behind the arm…the man.
Boxing is about striking and timing. Wing Chun is about striking and timing. The edge is with Wing Chun for the fact that trained pressure in Chi Sau absolutely does build your ability to pick up that fraction of a second contact that a Boxer will throw at you…but I never see Wing Chun people train for this. They train the static stance of pressure from an incoming limb that just won’t be there in a real fight.
Its all about point of contact and the whole bridging the gap argument I hear so many people claim they know about, however they are so busy chi sau’ing, they have no idea what it is. It starts with overcoming the fear of spacial distance and fear of taking the hit to get in.
Wing Chun as taught today cannot beat a Boxer. If Wing Chun men trained properly with realism and aggression, they would see what is needed to beat a fighter who Boxes in a combat circumstance.
Train your Wing Chun with purpose. Everything we need to win a fight is in Wing Chun including the range game. Long range, ground game…its all there, it just has to be trained that way.
Wing Chun cannot beat Boxing the way you train it. But I can.